Post by GLRuk on May 11, 2010 11:41:37 GMT 1
(originally posted by Kesey)
I thought it would be an interesting experiment to try and record a song with any members of GLR that want to participate, over the internet... i was thinking since we are all obvious beatles fans and all interested in starting a musicl revolution, we could all record a version of revolution where one person would start by recording a .wav file of one instrument, and we could pass it around each adding our own part... see where it goes from there...
TD:
funny you should mention that ... ;D
i wont let on too much just yet, but this subject has been brought up before - and at the first chance i get, i'll be jumping right on. the idea (for me at least) is to make this across-the-net multi-artist recording formula the norm within the next year or so
i am in fact at this very moment running a pilot-project that utilises this kind of thing so as i can gauge the pros and cons and get myself acquainted with this format of recording music (although this is the first i've officially commented on it thus far).
before my extended holiday in december began, me and Tommy had been discussing creating a GLR collabo-concept thing, meanwhile myself and Alex French had been pondering a similar idea.. and so I decided over xmas to give it a go (with an external non-GLR source). I'm hoping to have it all finished and mixed etc by the time the new redesign goes up (april at the latest) .. but yeah - to answer your question:
That would be awesome (but do you want to record revolution 1, 9 or the single release? ;D)
(somewhat obvious, but nevertheless useful) pointers to save time:
1) make sure you all record at the same sample rate (either 44.1/48k roughly - i think?)
2) either start with the drum track, play to a pre-arranged tempo or stick a standard count-in in front of each track.. or all 3 (helps with lining the individual tracks up on whichever multitrack you're using)
3)... there was a number three, but i cant for the life of me remember it - if i do, ill be sure to amend this post lol
so - are you 'in' or 'out' ?
CT:
it's great how we have all talked to the deceptionist about this then! seems like we're all up for it. i'm in, are we going to stick to the usually copy song technique or should we change it to suit our selves? Like bring in different styles to our own assigned part of the song. Or just an idea, change it into a kind of revolution mega mix, say use al of our different styles and influences and do different sections of the songs but try and blend them in with some one elses, say one person does a slow blues style- next does a rock bit then say psychedelic murders style comes in, then someones elses style etc. i'f im honest since i read this yesterday i've been smacking some bongo drums and a huge carboard tube and singing like a campfire/red indian version of revolution....i think im going to record a few different versions of the same verse and see what goes.....just i thought but i want in anyway.
TD:
excellent
i remembered the other tip i had:
pre-assign the editing to one person, or agree to produce a different mix each
it gets tricky trying to produce the same song amongst three or four people - the only solution i can think of is what i just said: either one person produces it, or you all come up with a different mix each
to be honest, i quite like the idea of everyone producing their own interpretation of revolution using a combination of all of our input - but this one is kesey's baby - so its up to him ;D
Kesey:
the way i envisioned this happening would be to have someone record a track that lays a good foundation. this would most likely be a guitar riff and vocal track with sections for instrumental/ improvisation or the like. this track could even be removed from the final cut and replaced with others; it's simply the frame work. from there each person would take turns adding whatever they want to the mix... basically just jam along and then pass the file(s) to the next person for their contributuion... miles davis and the mars volta have both used recording techniques similar to this. different people could even start several different versions and then in the end, as suggested, we could all make our own mixes, leaving us with a bunch of different tracks of all our combined styles...
44.1khz is the standard for cd recording so we'll stick to that, and make sure to have a count in for sure.
also, record each track as a separate .wav file so we can all mix in the end.
this is really exciting and i'm going to go buy some new headphones this week to celebrate.
oh yeah, instead of posting links to the starting point tracks you create in the forums so everyone can download them, send them only to one other member, and make sure to include the list of people who have already contributed so no one gets a track twice, and to ensure nobody hears a track before it's their turn to play on it. you also won't hear what happens to the track you create/contribute to until everyone else has recorded their part at which time we'll send the completed takes out to all members for mixing.
what do you guys have to say?
TD:
on first glance that looks great, i'll probably have a few points need addressing later - im at work at the moment, so i'll update this post when i get home
peace and love
the deceptionist
edit: Okay - initially I'd have said to do the drums first, but so long as you [plural] record over a click-track or something similar I guess that shouldn't be a problem; trying to fit drums to a vaguely in-time guitar track is sheer hell in my experience lol
I like your 'pass the parcel/consequences' concept very much.. adds an extra dimension to it really, i never would have thought of that. That being said, I'm certainly game ;D
DD:
Sweet, I just read all of this,
i think
Kesey should lay down the first track.
bring it on lets do it!
CT:
Damn i already made a really messed up version (with no guitar yet) but i'll keep it to the sidelines until we hear from kesey- this could be really good, i was talking to a guy today about it and he thinks it sounds awsome- i ca't help but seeing Glr rising (at a nice pace) and changing things- hmmmmm dreaaaaaaaams.
Kesey:
okay so i put everyones name in a hat and then pulled them out randomly and here is the order:
colourful thief
kesey
COPM
deceptionist
i'm guessing we're the only ones participating since were the only ones posting in this section.
so basically just send your version to the person after you on the list (or if you happen to be the last person on the list you send to the first. any tracks you recieve simply add your part and then pass to the next person etc. until you get your own track back hopefully with everyone elses parts on it.
i've been busy with a new job the last couple days but hopefully since ive got the day tomorrow i'll be able to get something down.. i've been thinking about how i'm going to do my version and i've got a few ideas... it's gonna be different...
can't wait to start getting some tracks
I thought it would be an interesting experiment to try and record a song with any members of GLR that want to participate, over the internet... i was thinking since we are all obvious beatles fans and all interested in starting a musicl revolution, we could all record a version of revolution where one person would start by recording a .wav file of one instrument, and we could pass it around each adding our own part... see where it goes from there...
TD:
funny you should mention that ... ;D
i wont let on too much just yet, but this subject has been brought up before - and at the first chance i get, i'll be jumping right on. the idea (for me at least) is to make this across-the-net multi-artist recording formula the norm within the next year or so
i am in fact at this very moment running a pilot-project that utilises this kind of thing so as i can gauge the pros and cons and get myself acquainted with this format of recording music (although this is the first i've officially commented on it thus far).
before my extended holiday in december began, me and Tommy had been discussing creating a GLR collabo-concept thing, meanwhile myself and Alex French had been pondering a similar idea.. and so I decided over xmas to give it a go (with an external non-GLR source). I'm hoping to have it all finished and mixed etc by the time the new redesign goes up (april at the latest) .. but yeah - to answer your question:
That would be awesome (but do you want to record revolution 1, 9 or the single release? ;D)
(somewhat obvious, but nevertheless useful) pointers to save time:
1) make sure you all record at the same sample rate (either 44.1/48k roughly - i think?)
2) either start with the drum track, play to a pre-arranged tempo or stick a standard count-in in front of each track.. or all 3 (helps with lining the individual tracks up on whichever multitrack you're using)
3)... there was a number three, but i cant for the life of me remember it - if i do, ill be sure to amend this post lol
so - are you 'in' or 'out' ?
CT:
it's great how we have all talked to the deceptionist about this then! seems like we're all up for it. i'm in, are we going to stick to the usually copy song technique or should we change it to suit our selves? Like bring in different styles to our own assigned part of the song. Or just an idea, change it into a kind of revolution mega mix, say use al of our different styles and influences and do different sections of the songs but try and blend them in with some one elses, say one person does a slow blues style- next does a rock bit then say psychedelic murders style comes in, then someones elses style etc. i'f im honest since i read this yesterday i've been smacking some bongo drums and a huge carboard tube and singing like a campfire/red indian version of revolution....i think im going to record a few different versions of the same verse and see what goes.....just i thought but i want in anyway.
TD:
excellent
i remembered the other tip i had:
pre-assign the editing to one person, or agree to produce a different mix each
it gets tricky trying to produce the same song amongst three or four people - the only solution i can think of is what i just said: either one person produces it, or you all come up with a different mix each
to be honest, i quite like the idea of everyone producing their own interpretation of revolution using a combination of all of our input - but this one is kesey's baby - so its up to him ;D
Kesey:
the way i envisioned this happening would be to have someone record a track that lays a good foundation. this would most likely be a guitar riff and vocal track with sections for instrumental/ improvisation or the like. this track could even be removed from the final cut and replaced with others; it's simply the frame work. from there each person would take turns adding whatever they want to the mix... basically just jam along and then pass the file(s) to the next person for their contributuion... miles davis and the mars volta have both used recording techniques similar to this. different people could even start several different versions and then in the end, as suggested, we could all make our own mixes, leaving us with a bunch of different tracks of all our combined styles...
44.1khz is the standard for cd recording so we'll stick to that, and make sure to have a count in for sure.
also, record each track as a separate .wav file so we can all mix in the end.
this is really exciting and i'm going to go buy some new headphones this week to celebrate.
oh yeah, instead of posting links to the starting point tracks you create in the forums so everyone can download them, send them only to one other member, and make sure to include the list of people who have already contributed so no one gets a track twice, and to ensure nobody hears a track before it's their turn to play on it. you also won't hear what happens to the track you create/contribute to until everyone else has recorded their part at which time we'll send the completed takes out to all members for mixing.
what do you guys have to say?
TD:
on first glance that looks great, i'll probably have a few points need addressing later - im at work at the moment, so i'll update this post when i get home
peace and love
the deceptionist
edit: Okay - initially I'd have said to do the drums first, but so long as you [plural] record over a click-track or something similar I guess that shouldn't be a problem; trying to fit drums to a vaguely in-time guitar track is sheer hell in my experience lol
I like your 'pass the parcel/consequences' concept very much.. adds an extra dimension to it really, i never would have thought of that. That being said, I'm certainly game ;D
DD:
Sweet, I just read all of this,
i think
Kesey should lay down the first track.
bring it on lets do it!
CT:
Damn i already made a really messed up version (with no guitar yet) but i'll keep it to the sidelines until we hear from kesey- this could be really good, i was talking to a guy today about it and he thinks it sounds awsome- i ca't help but seeing Glr rising (at a nice pace) and changing things- hmmmmm dreaaaaaaaams.
Kesey:
okay so i put everyones name in a hat and then pulled them out randomly and here is the order:
colourful thief
kesey
COPM
deceptionist
i'm guessing we're the only ones participating since were the only ones posting in this section.
so basically just send your version to the person after you on the list (or if you happen to be the last person on the list you send to the first. any tracks you recieve simply add your part and then pass to the next person etc. until you get your own track back hopefully with everyone elses parts on it.
i've been busy with a new job the last couple days but hopefully since ive got the day tomorrow i'll be able to get something down.. i've been thinking about how i'm going to do my version and i've got a few ideas... it's gonna be different...
can't wait to start getting some tracks